Hi all, this thread seems to have a lot of suggestions and discussion but from what I can tell it doesn’t seem to reach a decision. Is there an official chat platform for ROS? If so I’d like to start a navigation2 channel.
The current consensus seems to remain IRC
OK, a couple questions:
- What servers / channels are being used?
- Is there a recommended web based IRC client?
#ros on Freenode is the place - I don’t think there’s been enough chatter to warrant multiple channels to date.
The Freenode web client works well
I am personally using Riot web client to connect, it’s also got mobile clients which is nice (note: channel name through Riot is #freenode_#ros:matrix.org) - thanks @ruffsl for the suggestion, it works really well
Also I connected successfully on the first try using HexChat native client on Linux - which is much more than I can say for most IRC clients I have tried
IRC (#ros on freenode) is still the default, as @emersonknapp said. The TSC discussed it and it seems that nothing will be changed:
Though there are several unofficial ones now, including a discord server, I believe it was posted above.
Unfortunately IRC is kind of a dead end now (in my opinion) since the bot we used to have which posted the chat history online is now defunct. So if your client isn’t online 24/7 your likely to miss parts of the conversation.
Ironically discourse was in read-only mode when I was trying to reply and could only use our internal slack ask why
logging an irc channel should be a solvable problem.
Yeah, but it’s something someone has to maintain. And has many of the same privacy and accessibility issues as the other platforms (in my opinion). We were piggy backing off of botbot.me (https://github.com/BotBotMe) but it’s hosted service is gone now. There weren’t many hosted options when I last set that up. If someone wants to set that up and the rest of the people in the IRC channel are ok with it, then I’ll help with any channel permissions or w/e, but I can’t afford to spend a lot of time monitoring or fixing it if it goes down.
As I introduced to @emersonknapp, you can use the matrix/riot as personal IRC bouncer, so you can later view/search message history while your client was disconnected, thus making the IRC channel immediately more usable:
FYI, the IRC server will stick kick you off if you remain inactive for more that 30 day.
@mjcarroll , in the #ros FreeeNode IRC, you mentioned correctly setting your nick through Matrix so it worked correctly with Riot:
Could you expand upon what you did, or what the process should be? It might be helpful for others who’d like to use more modern clients while retaining @-mentions capabilities across the IRC/Matrix bridge.
Yep, so to change my nick, I opened a chat with
@appservice-irc:matrix.org and used the following:
!nick chat.freenode.net mjcarroll. I think that the command may vary depending on which connection to Freenode you use (I saw
irc.freenode.net used in other places).
After that, you can open a chat with
NickServ, which is
@freenode_NickServ:matrix.org and authenticate with the standard mechanism by sending a message to the NickServ such as
identify mjcarroll hunter2
If you haven’t previously registered a nick, you can do so by sending
register <password> <email>
I think tha tyou can also message
!storepass <password> so that you don’t have to keep messaging NickServ.
Finally, I think that matrix sets
+R by default, so you won’t get messages from users that aren’t registered to IRC. I think you can change your mode but I haven’t experimented with that at all.
I’m not sure if this was intended, by we can actually see your pw here.
Rest assured, my password is not actually
Perhaps I should’ve added a …
Well there goes an hour of my time, lost to nostalgia.
Some of the discussion here deviated into an instantaneous chat platform discussion. Linking it here for err … completeness?
Let’s do that. I need to get better at searching history to look for context. I am going to table slack discussions at this time. One thing I want to think about is perhaps a way we can support real time discussion in the future. I think some sort of real-time support office hours could scratch a community itch but I need to talk with a lot of people about ways we could perhaps make it happen.
I have used slack in the past and it is perfect thing for discussions.
And the IRC does exist. Now that I know about matrix/riot I’m likely to use it more. Maybe a better approach for now is to make that information and some recommendations for how one should connect more clear.
Matrix makes alot of sense, we use riot on the ROS perception maintainers & making more and more use of it for navigation2 planning and designing. @mjcarroll has mentioned before some other maintainer groups use it as well.
There’s admittedly a learning curve to it (especially on the admin side), so if ease of use is a concern, Slack might be something to consider @Katherine_Scott.
As I linked to in a previous comment above, using riot as a matrix client to connect to the old IRC channel works better than any IRC client I’ve ever tediously configured. Perhaps we should disseminate the matrix link below where we also reference IRC or community discourse forum website:
I think we should also look into hosting a concise index of community links such as an organized list of active working groups, TSC members, the schedules for these working groups and TSC sessions, where the meeting notes can be found, what are contact points, e.g. what sub tag they subscribe to, or who to ping, etc. @gbiggs and I where talking about this not too long ago:
That being said, I’d still think it would be worthwhile migrating from freenode to matrix in order to really support all the features of a modern chat tool, like:
- hyperlinking to previous archived threads via public links
- allows github tickets to link back to prior context over chat
- Multimedia expansion
- get web previews of links for readability
Mozilla has also been investigating Matrix as a candidate replacement after retiring their old IRC server. Not sure about the current state of the migration as of late:
The ROS Security WG has been using it’s community under matrix.org to host a few rooms for about half a year now. Its helped us communicate/whiteboard on a number of issues, especially when an idea/question isn’t fully formed enough to post on discourse. It’s also a nice place to sync or onboard others on small/temporal tasks that don’t quite warrant their own resting space, like an entire github ticket.