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Autoware working group meeting 20190807

The next meeting of the Autoware working group will be held at Wednesday, August 7, 2019 2:00 PM. The meeting information is below.

On the agenda we have:

  1. Discussion of the specification-making process.
  2. Tasks for the first Autoware milestone

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Reference standardisation processes:

All three are relatively light-weight processes. The IETF is the most tried-and-true for producing actual specifications of protocols and interfaces. The PEP process is also well-tested and battle-hardened, and the REP process effectively adopts the PEP process.

All three are based on the following basic concepts:

  • Anyone can propose something
  • Working code wins
  • Lightweight voting process for acceptance

In fact the processes spend more effort ensuring documents follow a good format, etc., than on prescribing a process.

The IETF process is the most well-defined, and includes detail on managing withdrawals, supersedings, conflicts, etc. It is probably too heavy-weight for us at this stage.

My recommendation is to adopt the PEP process with as few modifications as possible.

Sorry, I will be about 10minutes late to the meeting. I might be listening but wouldn’t be able to talk.


  • Geoffrey Biggs (Tier IV)
  • Servando German (Linaro)
  • Ryohsuke Mitsudome (Tier IV)
  • Akihito Ohsato (Tier IV)
  • Maxim Osipov
  • Pedro Periera
  • Ahmed Radwan
  • Akihiko Tsukuda (eSOL)
  • Liyou Zhou (Arm)

Minutes Geoffrey Biggs


Autoware specification process

  • eSOL: What changes would be required if we use the PEP process?
    • No major changes, but the PEP process is designed for a language, so we may need to make changes to what is contained in a specification document to account for this.
  • Arm: Why not start from the REP process?
    • The PEP process is more up-to-date and better structured.
  • If we want structure, why not use the IETF process?
    • It is too heavy for us at this early stage. We prefer to start with a light process and add to it as necessary rather than risk a heavy process choking off contributions.
  • Specification process definition work will be done in a repository dedicated to the specification.
  • The goal is to have a draft in place by September for discussion in this WG, followed by proposal to the TSC.

First Autoware milestone tasks

  • Tasks to be done for the first of the five milestones that are heading towards autonomous valet parking.
  • Linaro: Can we take existing source code from Autoware.AI to satisfy software tasks?
    • We can take algorithms, but the implementations need to be re-done to have tests, design documentation, user and developer manuals, be real-time safe (to the extent permitted by ROS 2), etc. Each algorithm needs to be implemented from scratch to meet these needs.
  • How are we going to deal with different vehicles?
    • We need to select a common vehicle platform. There is a task for this.
  • Not all companies have a vehicle.
    • Those without a vehicle will most likely be working in simulation, so they are good candidates to contribute to the simulation epic’s tasks.
  • AutonomousStuff already have a car that works with Autoware.AI. Do we need to redo their software?
    • Yes, it needs to be ROS 2-based, real-time, have tests and design documentation, etc. Hopefully AutonomousStuff will be willing to do this work. If not, someone else who is familiar with their hardware will need to do it.
  • The choosing the ECU task needs to coordinate closely with the reference platform WG.
  • Do these activities need to follow the specification process?
    • Yes
  • Does work that crosses over with other WGs need to follow those groups’ work or is it indepednent?
    • The other WGs are expected to work to these goals and follow the specification process. This is all one big project.

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